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Asterisk presentation by Mark Spencer

OpenCraft 11 Nadi El Seid Street, Suite 1101 Dokki, Giza

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I apologize for OpenCraft,

I apologize for OpenCraft, I shouldn't have pointed fingers, especially when they just contributed generously to the event. Apologies for all too.

Having that said, I still believe we should try to fix the article, alaa says it could never get fixed, well we can try fixing it in the online version. At least next time EGLUG makes an event with OC we will be sure this journalist won't do the same mistake again ;-).

Mardini, MSameer, IMO the event has only one name "EGLUG event", anything else is wrong, OC did a great job in organizing, ..etc. But that doesn't make it an OC event or seminar.

Now for this *very clear* which seems to be confusing many, I think this could have worked: "Hey bob, this seminar is a bit different than our usual ones, it's an EGLUG event that OC is hosting."

Please, don't tell me the article is fine because it's not. This thing was either an OC seminar or an EGLUG event, it was either led by OC or by Sherif Nagy.

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Do you still talk about that

Do you still argue about the credit !!!

It was led by my MAMA..

What is your big problem here, OC, EGLUG FONT SIZE,, What

it was seminar and they did it well , what credit you look for what great benefits from it to burn all that for EGLUG credits.

well that article shows that OC was PARTNER and its very good thing shows a companies help GNU groups..

Did we rent the place...!!

alien... Prepare for another seminar .. that would be great


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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

hm

No the event wasn't leaded by your MAMA as u saying. and why u don't prepare a good seminar for us :-) that would be great too.

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event capitalized by Open Craft?

And I here was thinking it was an EGLUG event led by Darkness_WolF of EGLUG.

WTF?

YoussefAssad's picture

Moving on

I think the wording in the article is very unfortunate and misleading, and I understand how some community members are unhappy about it. I understand there is linguistic nuance; this doesn't diminish the fact that there is a tone in the article which is not entirely correct.

One important thing to keep in mind is that journalists often make mistakes. It would have been very easy for whoever was covering this event to have written misleading information. I don't think it is a common practise for journalists to ask their subjects to review stories; I don't think OC had any form of editorial control over a reporter's misconceptions.

I think for the future that when some community members raise a ruckus about something, it is preferable to slow down and understand the problem and handle it patiently rather than to blame linguistic nuance.

There are a lot of good people in this LUG. Some of them arranged for the presentation to happen, some of them donated their office for the event, some of them attended the event. Some of them saw a problem with press coverage, and some didn't.

I hope we have created a LUG which has enough patience and maturity to avoid us-and-them-ism.

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ezabi's picture

Let's take this discussion off

If this discussion has to be resumed let it be done offlist, enough harm to involved parties.

I can't see any form of capitalizing done compared to how other bodies previously capitalized on EGLUG resources, contacts and volunteers.

Again thanks to ALL the parties that helped making this event take place. So long and thanks for all the fish.

BooDy's picture

huh?!

One thing I really recommend for you alienbrain, Get some new reading glasses and read the article before you start pointing fingers.

Oh and one more thing, I'm sorry but OpenCraft didn't write the article themselves, did they?

Again you need that reading glasses.

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Back in the event day

Back in the event day, If I were OC, I'd make it *very* clear to any journalist that this is not a regular "OC technical seminar". If I invited people who are used to coming to my technical seminars without telling them very clearly "Hey this is NOT a regular technical seminar of OC, it's an EGLUG event hosted by us" then it's my mistake and I should fix it. Now it seems that OC didn't make it clear enough nor it has tried to fix the article, it's the article saying so not me.

Now, I blame OC and I believe it was in contact with the journalist who wrote this. They sent him/her the pictures which was sent to them by Sherif Nagy. I believe they did read the article before it gets posted. And so far they didn't try to fix it.

You feel free to blame it on "stupid" journalists or whatever suits you.

Anyhow, since most of us seem to agree that the article in that magazine is clearly mistaken (regardless of whom mistake it's), someone of you OC guys should call that journalist and ask him/her to fix the article.

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Again I will recommend the

Again I will recommend the glasses. Even if OpenCraft gave the picture to the writer of the article the fact remains that OpenCraft didn't write the article, OpenCraft made it very clear on its official website and the official announcement as I mentioned earlier unless OpenCraft is required for the convenience of the freedom fighters club in eglug to make the speaker wear a sign saying "Thanks to eglug for bringing me here, OpenCraft did NOT do anything for this event".

Oh and I never heard of a journalist giving an article to a company to review before it gets published. Call me naive but unless you have a proof of what you are saying then excuse me this is a stupid, aimless accusation. Also I did not agree that the article is mistaken.

And I'm not writting this as an employee in OpenCraft and I'm not authorized to represent OpenCraft in such a useless discussion. I'm writting this only because I don't think that whatever you are trying to do here is good for the sake of the glug. Feel free to call me a hypocrite I won't be surprised with a new link in the chain of the conspiracy theory.

Happy holidays!

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Yes! OpenCraft is required

Yes! OpenCraft is required to make sure volunteers efforts are retained. AND I didn't say that OC wrote the article, I said it's in *contact* with the journalist which means they could have fixed that if they wanted to. The article has been out for 2 days and no one lefted a finger to fix it.

Also I did not agree that the article is mistaken.

Excuse me? The article is stating that this was an OC technical seminar, led by OC.

Now how about you contact the journalist? Or give me the journalist contact information and I will contact him/her.

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Are you serious?

I don't understand where did all this useless negativity come from?

I made sure numerous times that EGLUG gets their due credit (and that it's Egyptian GNU/Linux User Group and not Egyptian Linux User Group ;)) and that the "volunteer efforts are retained". We communicated this to the journalists during the event. OpenCraft thanked EGLUG in the beginning and in the end of the presentation. The very first sentence in the invitation email prepared by OpenCraft and sent to the OC Technical Seminar mailing list and the journalists was:


The Egyptian GNU/Linux Users Group is offering us a gift: a session with Mark Spencer, creator of Asterisk, the open source PBX platform! That's the sharing spirit - and just in time for the holidays too ;-) Thank you EGLUG, especially Sherif Nagy who is coordinating the event.


If, for some unknown reason, you still believe that this is not "*very* clear to any one" and that by saying so we did not acknowledge the very special nature of this particular session and we did not give EGLUG their proper and well-deserved credit then I am truly sorry for that.

Should it have been?:
"EGLUG is organizing this session with Mark Spencer from A to Z. OpenCraft has nothing to do with it and is not responsible for anything. Please make sure you understand this very clearly. This is an EGLUG event and NOT an OpenCraft one".

As for the organizational aspect, it was organized internally like any OC Tech Seminar as far as OpenCraft is concerned including logistics and expenses. So saying that OpenCraft did nothing except "giving us a location and send an email" is a blunt and tactless statement.

Also, who told the journalists to come to cover the event?

Happy Eid, New Year, and Christmas.

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

I did called Mr. Sherif

I did called Mr. Sherif from loghet el asr as alaa requested also.

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MSameer's picture

Let's agree on some

Let's agree on some facts:

  1. OC made it clear on their website, during the event and everywhere that it's EGLUG + OC.
  2. A journalist came, attended the event and finally wrote whatever he/she wanted to write.
  3. The article stated that" This cutting-edge lecture, presented in conjunction with the Egyptian GNU/Linux Users Group (EGLUG), is part of a technical seminar series led by Egyptian open source company OpenCraft."

Yes, The seminar was part of the OC techsiminars thing. It's the same like the CultureWheell saying that the GNU/Linux lab and the eglug activities are part of the cultural events we present.

What correction do you want ? An official apology from OC because of the journalist ? Do you want the journal to change the article ? Who told you that no contact has happened ? Who told you that OC didn't say that it's eglug+OC to the journalist ? Don't ytou realize that we are having a lot of vacations these days and that it might be possible that OC is having difficulty contacting the journalist ?

PS. Think about it: How many people came from eglug and how many people came from OC ? "I wasn't there BTW and I'm an OC employee so raising the argument that OC forced its employees to attend to increase the number isn't valid".

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

hmm

PS. Think about it: How many people came from eglug and how many people came from OC ? "I wasn't there BTW and I'm an OC employee so raising the argument that OC forced its employees to attend to increase the number isn't valid".

what that has to do with giving created where it due to ? and that dosn't earse the fact that main orginzing done by eglug.

i don't think amr or me want's any kind of apology but also we don't want volunteer work to be erased what dose "conjunction" with eglug means ? let me tell you what i think i think this means that eglug did the small part of organizing the event and OC did the big part which is not true. OC give us the location / send the email to there technical seminar cuz they wanted the event as technical seminar even the event was supposed to be a presentation. but it's fine call it whatever the important thing it was good event even i wrote the agenda and the form like OC old techincal semeniar and send it for correction and tuning by OC staff. i dont blame OC or anything or about what dailystaregypt wrote and thats why I posted the correction there on there website. OC guys thanked me many times over phone and on there website , but when you see a mistake you try to fix it. think about it like this if the dailystaregypt wrote something wrong about the event like it was done by EGLUG and helping with aliens in wonderland and some guys of OC appered. they will not try to fix it !? and again OC did great job i'm not blameing them for what dailystaregypt wrote but if they can explan that the event was orginzed by EGLUG thats will be great if they can't then khalas forget it.

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Alaa's picture

you guys are clueless, you

you guys are clueless, you think one can correct newspapers after they're printed?

whether it was done through a grand conspiracy by OC or by mistake or whatever the correction you are asking for is simply never going to happen.

Alaa


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MSameer's picture

So you are annoyed because

So you are annoyed because of the word "conjugation" ?

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

me annoyed ?

hmm not annoyed but it's not right :-) without eglug there was no technical seminar.

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MSameer's picture

I don't get it

The tech siminar is always there just like the CultureWheel cultural events are always there. Without EHLUG, this particular tech siminar wou;dn't have been held.

I still don't understand where's the part you are classifying as "not right".

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

I am not looking for

I am not looking for thanks from anyone elhamdeallah ,and i think opencraft should review the article before it get posted ? what do you think ? the content of the post that the lug did nothing almost. which is not correct, opencraft did thank me over the phone manytimes and on there website, all i'm trying to do to correct the press relase may be the press ppl don't have much information ?

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Manal's picture

But they said:

This cutting-edge lecture, presented in conjunction with the Egyptian GNU/Linux Users Group (EGLUG), is part of a technical seminar series led by Egyptian open source company OpenCraft.

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

I think this is the right thing

Thank You sherif nagy in the end of the post should be signuter not thank to me.

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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

!

This is an EGLUG event and OpenCraft donated the place nothing more !!!

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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

Perfect!

Really it was a very perfect presentation, thanks for Mr. Mark Spencer and his family for the great time and the great presentation, thanks for opencraft to donate there location and resource for the event, also I would like to thank Mr.enzo puliatti IT Synergy chairman for his generous offer about the room in smart village for event. and we hope to have more event.

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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

video camera

can someone donate a video camera to tape the event for us?

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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

5:30

Sorry guys the event will start at 5:30 , sorry again.

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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

Add your name

Fsirt of all i would like to thank open craft for donating a place to have this event, and if you please add your name in this wiki page so we can keep track of who is willing to attend this event. thank you

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mardini's picture

OpenCraft :)

OpenCraft is one word not two. And if any of you guys can find a way to get us opencraft.com from the current registrants, I'll have a special gift for him/her!!

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

More And More

The presentation:

Asterisk The Free/Open Source IP PBX and what it can provide to make our lives easier. Digium and what does the company do to supports the free/open source software community. what kind of products the company produces and what it has to do with Asterisk. How open source will help the VOIP industry and how it will help Egypt. what is Mark's vision of the open source voip and computer telephony in general and specially in Egypt.

The speaker:-

Mr. Mark Spencer the original author of Asterisk the Free/Open Source IP PBX and the founder of digium,the main sponsor for asterisk and the manufacturer of asterisk hardware in addition to the business solutions based on the asterisk PBX. Also he is the founder of many open source projects including the IM application GAIM.

The topics:

- What is asterisk? - What is Digium? - How can asterisk and digium hardware help us to imporve the quailty of the computer telephony for companies? - vision for open source in the computer telephony industry especially in Egypt.

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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

About the location

ITsynergy offered the meet room to hold the event. location is smartvillage , but the room can't hold more than 14 person . and this event is aiming for > 20 person. so if someone can talk with sakia if they are willing to give us a hall to do the event ?

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MSameer's picture

Far place.

The smart village ? Good luck. I'm out.

Why don't you talk to the culturewheel ?

What d you need for the presentation ? Maybe I can arrange something ?

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

Not Far

It's not about far or close , there is always transporation to smartvillage. the issue is the meeting room in itsyn can hold in max 15 person. and we are looking for more than that. we need a place to hold more than 20 person + datashow and may be we will need a computer " not sure yet" , i can't talk with sakia they are far for me i don't have time i need to arrange some other stuff, and alaa will try to pass by them 1st to see if we can have a hall there.

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