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Manal's picture

I think it is time to discuss the license for EGLUG content.

Should we use one license on all the content or different licenses??

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

important topic

i guess anyhow it`s should be free.. i took a fast look at the 2 license and i guess Creative Commons Noncommercial is good. and i didn`t real read all of FDL yet.but i`ll soon.

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Attribution.

Well its realy important thing I have read both licenses I think Creative commons is better specialy Attribution one I think we dont care if others used our content but at least refer back to us :):)

You just beat me to it!

I was just wondering about that the other day and thought we should start a discussion. This needs careful reading of both licenses. Whatever we choose, a new member should agree upon registration that any content he contributes to EGLUG is by default under that license unless he explicitly specifies other license when contributing with a specific piece of content. Or include a note or a link on the "create content" page.

YoussefAssad's picture

Default?

Actually, you raise a good point. I think that the license we choose should not be optional and should apply sitewide.

Someone could otherwise create content and then place it under a restrictive license, under which circumstances eglug would implicitly be forced to support this by hosting it.

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Alaa's picture

how about a couple of licenses

by default licensing sounds like a good idea to me, and off course it should be a Free/Open license.

however I think it will be difficult to agree on whether to use a copyleft license or not.

there are situations when I think we should absolutly not use a copyleft license, like for instance if we make a press release or a press kit, you want people to reuse that in any possible way.

on the other hand if I spend time writing a long document I would only want it published with a copyleft license, if copyleft is not an option then my non casual content would probably end up on my website and only links will be posted to eglug.

so how about we give people a choice of two licenses, one copyleft and one not, with one of them being default.

or even better, the choice would only be available to articles and wikipages but not to comments, forum posts or news items?

tab3an there is a whole other problem which is derivative work, translated material for instance has to abide by the original license, we need to make sure that correct license info is published and not just stick our own default.

Alaa


"i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

whirlpool's picture

how about user selects it

...Create a taxonomy called "License" and create a term for each license you have. The taxonomy description could be a short description of the license (think Creative Commons) and a link to the full legal license (again, think Creative Commons). Than whenever you post a work, select the license it goes under.

so we got several selectable cc licenses for everything and the default one is the site wide agreed upon license.

Alaa's picture

how to do it is not a prob

its the decision on which licenses to use that is a problem.

Alaa


"i`m feeling for the 2nd time like alice in wonderland reading el wafd"

whirlpool's picture

more options in a blog

well i think in blog spaces, seniors can select any of the creative commons choices.

outside blogs its a single (by-sa*) license. May be a (by) only license occasionally for stuff that we might want to be consumed by the media like our about page, faq, press kit etc..

  • by == attribution
  • sa == share alike
khaledhosny's picture

صحي النوم

الظاهر ان الحكاية دي ماتعملش فيها حاجة من ساعتها، طب دلوقتي عايزين نحدد موقف ونتفق عليه ونبدأ تصويت والنظام ده

طب ليه دلوقتي بالذات يعني؟ أولا عشان أنا مزنوق في صفحة من الويكي وعايز أحطها في كتاب (رخصته FDL بالمناسبة) وثانيا عشان الموضوع اتساب لفتره طويله وأنا يهمني أعرف ظروف الحاجات اللي بكتبها في الويكي ايه.

أظن أن احسن حاجة أن منختارش رخصة واحدة لكل المحتوى، لكن نختلف حسب نوع المحتوى، يعنى المقالات والويكي مش زى المنتدي ومش زي المدونات وهكذا، ولا كده هيعقد الحكاية؟

أما بالنسبة للرخصة اللي هنختارها فأنا مش خبير في الحاجات وهنعوز حد بيفهم في الكلام ده يقول الفرق بينهم إيه


khaledhosny's picture

دلوقتي محدش

دلوقتي محدش معبرني، يبقى اعتبر ان محتوى eglug.org ملوش رخصة و للا إيه ؟


DarKnesS_WolF's picture

hm

i said again it should be free/open License ... but i don't know about them i didn't read them so if someone in the community have an opinion please post it and let the community disscuse what it should be.

peace


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MSameer's picture

For me:

  1. GFDL
  2. Creative Commons attribution share and share alike.

khaledhosny's picture

خلاص لو محدش

خلاص لو محدش عنده اعتراض على الرخصتين دول يبقى المفروض نعمل تصويت ونختار واحدة منهم (لو هنستخدم رخصة واحدة لكل حاجة)، حد معترض ؟


d770116's picture

yea

i agree with that,let's make a poll


i'm known as Mnabil

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

3 or 4 days

let us talk about it and give the community time to read both license and see if there is any another ideas.. so give it like 3 or 4 days before making the poll

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DarKnesS_WolF's picture

poll

ok let us vote which license it will be ...which one it will be GFDL , Creative Commons Share alike and Creative commons non-commercial.. now we need 27 point to start the poll .... and here is my 9 points

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MSameer's picture

You want to have 3

You want to have 3 options:

  1. GFDL
  2. CC share alike
  3. CC non-commercial

Or am I understanding it the wrong way ??

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

what do u think ?

yes we can chose one of the 3 or we can add an option on the poll so the author can chose whatever license he likes from this 3 so it will be like

  1. GFDL
  2. CC share alike
  3. cc non-commercial
  4. we will have the 3 licnese and the auth chose one for his work

peace


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MSameer's picture

Adding the 3 licenses will

Adding the 3 licenses will complicate the things. I'd say we add all of them in that case. And in that case, What are we going to do about the old content ??

I suggest:

  1. GFDL
  2. CC Attribution-share and share alike
  3. Farther discussion.

Before we post the poll, We need to sit down and write a paragraph or 2 about the options we have so people can read and vote.

khaledhosny's picture

+me


DarKnesS_WolF's picture

Idea

I have talked with Maameer and we reached this idea:

we will add this licenses in eglug

  1. GFDL
  2. CC Attribution
  3. CC Attribution-NoDerivs
  4. CC Attribution-NonCommercial
  5. CC Attribution-ShareAlike
  • the poll will be about choseing the DEFAULT license for eglug content
  • the user have the right to chose any license of the 5 above for his/her content.
  • if the user didn't chose any license, the applied licesne will be the DEFAULT one that the community will chose
  • the author can change the DEFAULT license for his OLD content if he/she didn't like it after he/she talk with the contributers in this post.
  • contributers will NOT be allowed to change the license.

so what do you think ? should we add the rest of the CC ?

peace


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Alaa's picture

no sorry I don't think we

no sorry I don't think we should offer a no derivs option. how could a wiki use no deriv? this is a FOSS community it would be plain stupid not to allow derivative work. commercial or not commercial is a good question.

I also think we should have one single license and that it should apply to old and new content period, having multiple licenses will just confuse people.

if you feel strongly about it you can publish on eglug under the license EGLUG chooses, and on your own space under whichever license you want (dual licensing), but this will only apply to the original version, any derivatives generated on EGLUG will follow EGLUG's license

Alaa


husband of the Grand Waragi Master

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

we reached this

we reached this conclusions from talking in the IRC and on the phone " only explaning more the same points " . i do agree about the No derivs issue. but we having one license i'm not sure i think it's not that complecated that the user will chose one of license that the community approved..

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Alaa's picture

what is complicated is not

what is complicated is not choosing a license, what is complicated is doing derivative work that involves multiple licenses.

you wrote a wiki page using GFDL and I wrote a wikipage using some CC license and someone wants to edit them and combine them under one page which license should she use?

you wrote a forum post and used GFDL, I'm writing a comment to that post and I want to choose a different license.

and so on.

Alaa


husband of the Grand Waragi Master

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

OK

hmm good point. so we will one license will be one of to as i think

  1. one allow everything including commercial use like GFDL or CC Attribution or CC share alike
  2. one dosn't allow commercial use like CC Attribution non-commercial

so what do u think guys this is cool ? we will start collect 27 point to create the poll ? or someone have something else in mind would like to share ?

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Alaa's picture

I agree though that we

I agree though that we should offer more info with the poll, maybe a wikipage with links to the three licenses and links to non legalese description of them and a short paragraph describing each of them in arabic for those who will find even the non legalese too difficult to understand.

Alaa


husband of the Grand Waragi Master

DarKnesS_WolF's picture

poll options

so the poll will be like this ?

which license you want eglug to hold

  1. Other
  2. I don't want

can someone please summarize the license ?

peace


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khaledhosny's picture

agree

I agree with this poll scheme


BooDy's picture

I second that

I second this poll

Death is only the beginning...

Conceptor's picture

why we have CC

why we have CC Attribution-NonCommercial as a choice and we have at the same time CC Attribution-ShareAlike ?

can we merge CC licenses to be

  • CC Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike.

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